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Post by Admin on Apr 12, 2024 21:23:40 GMT
Rebuttal to “As it reads.com” , a website containing SDA assembly who have different opinions on “Who is the Holy Spirit”?
1) QUOTE” The reason being, that the Scriptures refer to the Holy Spirit as “He” End-quote.
1) ROB: There is not a single Hebrew verse stating the “ruwach” commonly translated as “Holy Spirit” is a “he”. The construction of the Hebrew language denotes words as masculine or feminine, and this does not imply the word is gender male or gender female, that is a terrible assumption on part of readers and translators. As-It-Read.com have assumed this.
Ruwach is in Hebrew grammar a feminine word used in sentence construction. The Greek language use of pneumia used to replace ruwach (during translation) is masculine in grammar construction in sentences.
Hence the Greek New Testament spoils the consistency of the entire OT and NT torah because of translation issues.
Does the Old Testament predict the teachings go out in a new tongue teaching? Yes it does. This fact is not known by modern day denominations, including the SDA assembly.
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Notice the teachings go out in a new tongue, but with stammering lips.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
But while it is refreshing to read the NT in Greek or the NT in English, the people still would not hear. In other words the translations have little affect on the people, they would not hear.
Paul quotes this verse referring to spoken tongues but also refers to a written tongue. But is it obvious in Paul’s time the written tongue in Greek was not common in his day, regarding the Hebrew torah.
I quote the context of Paul”
1Co 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. 26 ¶ How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
Notice speaking in another tongue, requires one to “interpret” or “translate”. This word is used 6 times in the NT Greek.
1) Lu 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he “translated” unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
2) Ac 9:36 ¶ Now there was at Joppa a certain disciple named Tabitha, which by “translation” is called Dorcas: this woman was full of good works and almsdeeds which she did.
3)1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all “translate”?
4) 1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he “translate” that the church may receive edifying.
5) 1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may “translate”.
6) 1Co 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and “translate” one “translation”. 28 But if there be no “translator”, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Where else in the NT Greek does one see the “translation” theme ?
Joh 5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches
Joh 19:13 When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.
Joh 19:17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
Joh 19:20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
Re 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Re 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
So the OT predicts the Hebrew tongue goes out to the people in a new tongue. This new tongue is Kione Greek.
Sadly for those who rely entirely on a translation process receive fuzzy understandings.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
And when the common people try to understand they ‘fall backward’.
Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
They ask others to read and translate the words for them
Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
And so people get trapped by precepts and traditions of men.
Mt 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
The Jews in Jesus time “translated” the OT teachings for the common people adding more rules and precepts upon the written torah teachings, trapping the people with more added traditions.
In fact (in Lu 24:27,) a Jew and a Greek-Jew had to have Jesus translate the Hebrew torah scroll because of the traditions of learned men had made fuzzy even the reading of the Hebrew in Jesus time, so Jesus showed them how the Hebrew torah correctly.
So one has to be careful using English Bibles in order to obtain correct truth from the words we read, due to “fuzzy translations”, or with “added” traditions and perceptions of men.
So where does the OT torah teach the HOLY SPIRIT as a “her” as a grammar theme construction?
Only once directly in the King James Version for a common person to read “as it reads”.
Ho 4:19 The wind hath bound her up in her wings, and they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices (King James Translation).
The word “wind” here is translated from the the Hebrew word “ruwach”, meaning “Holy Spirit”.
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Post by Admin on Apr 12, 2024 21:25:00 GMT
2) The article written by “as it reads.com” makes much about the word “ruwach” without defining what the word “ruwach” actually means for ALL verses of context.
EGW: “The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. {AA 52.1}
ROB:” Why is the nature of ruwach a mystery? Because the term is not well defined in science in Ellen White’s day or even in modern times the term is not well understood.
What term? The term is the word “medium”.
There are two words, “medium” and “agency,” used by EGW, not considered by “as it reads.com” or SDA assemblies, in their studies causing confusion to many readers.
What is a medium?
A medium is defined as the substance that transfers the energy, or light from one substance to another substance or from one place to another, or from one surface to another. ( A dictionary meaning from the Internet)
Such a term is not discussed much in science very well in practice.
Here is a typical response to defining “wind as a medium”.
What is wind?
In simple terms, wind is the movement of air. This movement is caused by pressure differences, which in turn were caused by temperature differences. In other words, it all starts with the sun.
Another example
What is wind? Wind is the movement of air caused by the uneven heating of the Earth by the sun.
Consider this verse:-
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
The words “wind” and “Spirit” have under them in translation the same Greek word “pneumia” or the same Hebrew word “ruwach”.
The Author does not consider Hebrew to be a polysemous language, meaning a word can have different word meanings. We have lost the concept where words used to have a single basic broader word meaning. So in this verse what word meaning can be considered both “wind” and “Spirit”? The answer is “Medium”.
Joh 3:8 The medium bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Medium. (Footnote: wind is a medium affect. The Holy Spirit functions as a grand Medium.)
EGW writings use the word “medium” and “agency” in the context of “Holy Spirit”, yet she says the “nature of the Holy Spirit” is a mystery and silence is golden, because the science meaning of this word is ill understood.
I shall try to define wind using the words “medium” and “media”.
Air can become different media depending upon the process of one media that is affected more by heat relative way to another media less affected by heat. We term the movement of something relative to different media, a medium affect. Hence wind is the movement of air from one media relative to another media. The overall process is called a medium affect, or in simple terms ‘wind’.
Another example is when light moves from one media into and out of another media, the light experiences changes due to the difference of the media. This change to the light is called a medium affect. Light moving from an air media to a water media undergoes rarefaction, or bending of the light as a ray, and thus the overall process of this affect is called a medium.
Notice I use “medium” as a term, not well understood or used in this way in science publications, and hence the process is a mystery, and silence is golden, since few would understand.
Generally a medium is “something that carries something else”. Because of this process of carrying something else, differences in function and properties can be observed.
Mediums can make things appear virtual, magnified or diminished or perceived differently.
Using BingAI I asked “Can mediums makes things look magnified, virtual and upside down”?
Answer: "So, yes, mediums (such as magnifying lenses) can indeed make things appear virtual, magnified, or diminished based on their optical properties!”
However the general use of this term is ill understood.
Now notice EGW use of “Holy Spirit” and “Medium”
EGW: “What constitutes the sin against the Holy Ghost? It is willfully attributing to Satan the work of the Holy Spirit. For example, suppose that one is a witness of the special work of the Spirit of God. He has convincing evidence that the work is in harmony with the Scriptures, and the Spirit witnesses with his spirit that it is of God. Afterward, however, he falls under temptation; pride, self-sufficiency, or some other evil trait, controls him; and rejecting all the evidence of its divine character, he declares that that which he had before acknowledged to be the power of the Holy Spirit was the power of Satan. It is through the medium of His Spirit that God works upon the human heart; and when men willfully reject the Spirit and declare it to be from Satan, they cut off the channel by which God can communicate with them. By denying the evidence which God has been pleased to give them, they shut out the light which had been shining in their hearts, and as the result they are left in darkness. Thus the words of Christ are verified: “If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!” Matthew 6:23. For a time, persons who have committed this sin may appear to be children of God; but when circumstances arise to develop character and show what manner of spirit they are of, it will be found that they are on the enemy’s ground, standing under his black banner.92 {CCh 81.1}
ROB: “Notice the Holy Spirit functions as a medium for God to communicate with humans. The medium is a channel through which communication from God to humans is carried by the Holy Spirit.
EGW: "Sanctify them through the truth; thy word is truth.” The door of the heart must be opened to the Holy Spirit; for this is the sanctifier, and the truth is the medium. There must be an acceptance of the truth as it is in Jesus. This is the only genuine sanctification. “Thy word is truth.” {EA 88.3}
ROB: “Notice the Holy Spirit functions as a medium for God, carrying to us truth.
EGW: "I marvel that professing Christians do not grasp the divine resources, that they do not see the cross more clearly as the medium of forgiveness and pardon, the means of bringing the proud, selfish heart of man into direct contact with the Holy Spirit, that the riches of Christ may be poured into the mind and the human agent be adorned with the graces of the Spirit, that Christ may be commended to those who know Him not. {Ms91-1902.12}
ROB: The Medium carries forgiveness and pardon to us via the Cross to bring us Jesus our Saviour.
So in summary, the Holy Spirit is a function. A medium function.
Does this mean the Medium is not a co-eternal member of elohiym?
As-it-reads.com” claims the Medium is the power of the Father or the Son. It is true a Medium carries the Father’s power and the Son’s power. But this does mean the Medium is not administrated by a third co-eternal Being of Elohiym? As-It-Reads.com would answer no.
All common mediums on earth are natural and not administrated by a personal being. Common mediums would be wind, and light refraction causing a rainbow of colour.
However the Bible does discuss mediums administrated by another personal being.
The first example we are not to consult.
1Sa 28:7 ¶ Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor (KJV).
The words “familiar spirit” is the Hebrew word “owb” a single word. The witch of Endor was a medium where the woman acted as an administrator for the medium, where other voices from the dead are assumed to come alive and speak to those living with questions.
Le 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.
The Scriptures says have nothing to do with such mediums.
There is another example of a medium that is administrated by a Divine Person.
Job 33:4 The Medium (Ruwach) of God hath made me, and the breath of the Shadday hath given me life.
Notice the Shadday is a Divine being that administrates the Medium. Many SDA scholars have assumed the Shadday is another term for collectively the Elohiym as a whole. While this may be true, it is also a third member of the Family of Elohiym.
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Post by Admin on Apr 12, 2024 21:28:29 GMT
3) Questions raised by “As-it-Reads.com”
As-it-Reads.com 1. Is there one verse, anywhere in Scripture, where God speaks to and/or expresses His love for the Holy Spirit, as He often does to His only begotten Son?
As-It-Reads.com assumes the word “elohiym” or “theos” means “heavenly Father” and no other divine being, except perhaps Jesus the Son of the Father. How can you have a literal Son and a literal Father without a literal Mother, such terms are role playing and made up?
The Author, Rob assumes “elohiym” or “theos” is a “family term” meaning, we can expect to see a “Provider” and “Responder” and a “Collector” of love, that according to the “Infinity Set” three copies of “Infinity” functionally demonstrate three personalities of love. There are two Hebrew words for love, not one word for love as in English. These two words embrace the concept of gender male love and gender female love, as demonstrated in Genesis. The collective love of children is a mix of both provider love and responder love, happens later when children are born.
Over half of the Torah is poetry, a language intentionally invented by God for a reason, so readers can be amazed at seeing poetry similes differently and to hide truth in poetry pictures. However with Divine assistance, the poetry pictures illuminate human understanding.
Here is a whole scroll of poetry with Jesus as a simile of a lover seeking his beloved female.
Song 2:6 His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me. 7 I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till he please.
The Hebrew word “abahuh” is translated “my love” here refers to the way a gender male loves a gender female in fellowship as seen in marriage themes for example.
Song 4:7 Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.
The word “my love” refers to a Hebrew word referencing females, and so “Jesus” declares no spot of blemish in His Beloved, a simile of the church Jesus marries. Another picture is the declaration of Jesus towards His Divine Mother, the Shadday. Another picture is Jesus declares His love towards you, the one he personally chooses to marry as His beloved.
Poetry pictures can make all three pictures equally valid.
Zep 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.
This verse has the YHWH elohiym showing his might and saving ability, as well as His “ahabuh” love for those saved under salvation. Where does this “ahabuh” love come from? The Shadday.
Ho 3:1 ¶ Then said the LORD unto me, Go yet, love a woman beloved of her friend, yet an adulteress, according to the love of the LORD toward the children of Israel, who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine.
Here Father-YHWH asks Son-YHWH to go and find a woman to love with “ahabuh” love, to demonstrate love in contrast to Israel who “ahab” love other gods and wine. Both Hebrew words for love are written here.
Jer 31:3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
Here the YHWH is from eternity and shows eternal “ahabuh” love to those humans who seek salvation. Where does this eternal “ahabuh” love come from? The Shadday
Isa 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
Here in this verse Father-YHWH is afflicted over Israel backsliding, and the “messenger of His presence (Jesus the Son of the Father) shows “ahabuh” love towards Israel. What is interesting is, while a Son can show both “ahab” love and “ahabuh” love collectively, the next verse names the Holy Spirit who carries this love as a medium. It is a community effort and the Family is involved in redemption.
Pr 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: Pr 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him
Wisdom was there with the Creator during His creating, and wisdom is personified as a woman. The poetry pictures are intentionally chosen by God for a reason, and the clues are consistent throughout Scripture.
Ps 91:1 ¶ He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. 3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. 4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust:
The Most High is the Heavenly Father, and the Shadday is also mentioned here. We sing a hymn, “under His wings, I am safely abiding” Whose wings are these? Does the Father have wings? The Medium does, a function administrated by the Shadday.
Job 27:10 Will he delight himself in the Almighty? will he always call upon God?
This verse shows the oldest names for the Family of Elohiym. “Almighty” is Shadday and “God” is “Eloah”, the Father’s old name, something the SDA people do not know very well. The verse is about humans showing delight in heavenly parents.
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As-it-Reads.com 2. Is there one verse, anywhere in Scripture, where God’s only begotten Son speaks to and/or expresses His love for the Holy Spirit, as He often does to His God and Father?
Mt 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
The King James Translation is presented “as it reads” and given comments already, the passage is very profound. Notice wisdom and her children.
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As-it-Reads.com 3. Is there one verse, anywhere in Scripture, where the Holy Spirit speaks to and/or expresses His love for either God or the Son of God, as God and His Son often do towards one another?
The Holy Spirit is better translated as “Medium” and a Medium always carries somebody else’s power, so there cannot be any examples of the Medium functioning except as a Medium. However a term I use, “where the Medium functions on it’s own” is coined to mean examples where the Shadday does things without the family consort may be possible.
Pr 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Here the Medium (personified as wisdom and as a woman as a simile) is daily delighted rejoicing with the Father and Son during Creation.
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As-it-Reads.com 4. Is there one verse, anywhere in Scripture, where the Holy Spirit expresses His love toward us as does the Father and the Son?
Ge 43:14 And God Almighty give you mercy before the man, (KJV) Ge 43:14 And the Strong Authority of the Shadday give you compassion before the man, (Ancient Hebrew translation).
One verse of many such verses on this theme.
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As-it-Reads.com 5. Is there one verse, anywhere in Scripture, where we are told that we will ever see and/or meet the Holy Spirit?
Meet the Medium? No, this function is required to allow dysfunction to exist in the perfect functional domain of the Father. However shall we meet the Shadday, who expresses responder love? Yes
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty (KJV)
2Co 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the YHWH Shadday (Ancient Hebrew)
Re 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. (KJV)
Re 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of Elohiym and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, YHWH Elohiym Shadday; just and true are thy ways, thou Reigner of special [ones]. (Ancient Hebrew) ==============
As-it-Reads.com 6. Is there one verse, anywhere in Scripture, where the Holy Spirit is spoken of as sitting on a throne in heaven?
Re 4:8 ¶ And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. (KJV)
In Ancient Hebrew the words “holy” is said three times because of three thrones, one for the YHWH, one for Eloah of Elohiym and the third for the Shadday.
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As-it-Reads.com 7. Is there one verse, anywhere in Scripture, where “one divine being” (which trinity claims) is said to be three persons?
Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. 13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. 14 ¶ For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
The word “God” is “Elohiym” a broad meaning meaning “divine family power” or in secular terms, a “pagan family power”.
Christ Jesus our YHWH, is named as one member of this Divine Family. The Father is another named member of this Divine Family “the whole family in heaven” denotes the meaning of “elohiym” in verse 10. “the Spirit” is the word “medium” which is a function administrated by the Shadday.
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As-it-Reads.com 8. Is there one verse, anywhere in Scripture, where we find any of these terms mentioned: trinity, triune or God the Holy Spirit?
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (KJV)
The word “is” is supplied by translators. Elohiym is NOT a “medium” whatever people mean by this saying.
Joh 4:24 Elohiym Ruwach : and they that worship him must worship him in Medium and in truth.
What do we do with Hebrew nouns side by side, assumed as a Hebrew construct? Do we see this problem elsewhere?
Jas 2:8 ¶ If ye fulfil the royal law
Here is it assumed for “royal torah” that the word “royal” is an adjective?
Ge 1:2 And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (KJV)
Here do we write “And the Ruwach Elohiym move upon the face of the waters”?
Can we assume to know how Ancient Hebrew could be written in another language?
In John 4 the context is we worship the Father via the grand Medium, known as the Holy Spirit.
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As-it-Reads.com 9. Why does the Scripture almost always mention the Holy Spirit as a possessive pronoun/noun, as in ‘His Spirit’, His Holy Spirit’, ‘Spirit OF God’ or ‘Spirit OF Christ’?
Rob” Because a medium always carries somebody else’s power, or love or character.
Question: Why is the Shadday written in Hebrew grammar as a “he” ? Why is the Shad, written in Hebrew grammar as a “he” showing masculine pronouns?
When in fact the Shadday, like the word Shad is feminine in terms of love?
Nobody it seems is able to answer this question, but God revealed it to me.
Here is a poem I wrote at aged 17, many years ago
“Love is a river, a dam fed you some, Clear was it’s water, traditionally done.”
Who is the river and who is the dam? The river is a wife and the dam is her husband. Notice the husband provides the wife with love. The husband is a provider of love controlling the flow of love; and the wife is a responder to that love. The wife responds to “his love”.
Hence the reason why the breast and the Shadday are written in masculine terms, even though these objects are feminine.
That is why in Psalm 91, it is written “under his wings. I am safely abiding”.
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As-it-Reads.com 10. According to Matthew 1:20, we read, “fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.”
Question: If the Holy Spirit is a separate being as the trinity doctrine claims, then how is it that, Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and yet Christ continually prayed to and addressed God the Father, not the Holy Spirit, as His father (Matthew 10:32-33; Matthew 11:25-27; Matthew 12:50; Matthew 15:13; Matthew 16:17; Matthew 16:27; Matthew 18:10; Matthew 18:35). Never did Christ refer to the Holy Spirit as His father.
Rob: “Notice the way the Psalm David prays as prophecy happens regarding the Son of God and the function of the heavenly parents:-
Ps 22:8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. 9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts. 10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly (KJV)
I shall let readers read this “as it reads” for the King James often gets Hebrew meanings correct, but often ignored by readers.
Jesus trusted in the Father-YHWH, yet who is the God mentioned here from my mothers belly? Mary? Mary was not a god? It has to be a reference to the Holy Spirit, who is a function administrated by the Shadday as a Personal Divine Being.
Notice the first verse of this prayer of David
Ps 22:1 My Strong Authority, my Strong Authority, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from Yashuh (your Son) and from the words of my roaring? (Ancient Hebrew)
Respectfully we must pray to the Provider of Love, through which all love begins and has it’s being. This is a Hebrew principle about love.
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As-it-Reads.com 11. Galatians 4:4-6 says, “But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, GOD HATH SENT FORTH THE SPIRIT OF HIS SON INTO YOUR HEARTS, CRYING, ABBA, FATHER.”
Question: If the Holy Spirit is another deity other than Christ’s own spirit, then why would he call God the Father “Abba”? Are there two sons in the Godhead?
ROB” The Shadday expresses feminine love or responder love, and thus the King James render the grammar constructions as “her”, not “he”. Jesus is praying to the ranked head of the family home, a Hebrew principle, hence abba meaning “provider” of all things.
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As-it-Reads.com 12. Speaking of Jesus’ Second Coming, Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but ONLY THE FATHER.” When asked, “If Jesus was God (being omniscient), why did He not know when He would return? A Trinitarian may answer, “When Christ became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes… His omniscience, omnipresence, etc.”
Question still remains: Holy Spirit, according to Seventh-day Adventist 28 Fundamental Beliefs No. 2 is “all-knowing.” Then why doesn’t the Holy Spirit know, isn’t the Holy Spirit also a divine being who is omniscient as the Father? Why ONLY does the Father know?
ROB” A provider only functions to provide, the Shadday is a responder to that providing, hence only the Heavenly Father knows when it is time for all things to end. Such a descriptor is not about rank, one greater than another, but about functions within the “Infinity Set” or elohiym power.
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As-it-Reads.com 13. In Matthew 11:27 it says, “All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, BUT THE FATHER; neither knoweth any man the Father, SAVE THE SON, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.” Question: How is it that only the Father knows the Son and vice a versa but the Holy Spirit is excluded? It also says, “and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.” Does this mean then that the Holy Spirit is also dependent on the Son to get to know the Father?
Rob: “Ps 131:1 ... neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
Why must we battle to know all things? Some things are not made known to us, in order to keep us humble and meek before GOD.
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As-it-Reads.com 14. In John 1:18 it says, “No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.” Question: How is it that “no one hath seen God at any time” except the Son? Surely, if the Holy Spirit was a being and was present during the creation week as the trinity doctrine claims, then He would have certainly seen the Father.
Rob: “Lu 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. (KJV)
These two verses use a word only used twice; the word is “shape”. Many things in the torah are written as poetry and often involve “idioms” or sayings that are known better in the Hebrew culture. Since we see things in Greek culture, our minds are cloudy with different ways of seeing things. If we know very little about the Father how can we be so bold to know anything about the Shadday? or the function of the Holy Spirit as a Medium?
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As-it-Reads.com 15. How is it that the Holy Spirit doesn’t have a name, as does the Father and the Son?
Rob” The Holy Spirit is a function known as Medium. The Holy Spirit is administrated as that function by the Shadday. Hence the Shadday is the name for the third co-eternal personality of love.
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As-It-Reads.com I quote: “ The name “Jesus” comes from the Greek name “Iesous”, a rendition of the Hebrew Yeshua (ישוע) but if you look up Iēsous in the Strong’s Concordance, it has its origin in Hebrew which is, יְהוֹשׁוּעַ Yĕhowshuwa` (yeh·hō·shü’·ah; Strong’s H3091). So the Messiah’s original name in Hebrew is Yĕhowshuwa. (“and thou shalt call his name JESUS” Matthew 1:21). According to Strong’s Bible Concordance, the Father’s name (translated as LORD in KJV) given in Hebrew is Yĕhovah, pronounced, “yeh·hō·vä”. This is a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton, more commonly referred to as Jehovah which is an anglicized representation of Hebrew יְהֹוָה-YHWH). Strong’s Number H3068 matches the Hebrew יְהֹוָה (Yĕhovah), which occurs 6519 times in 5521 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV.
Rob” these writings are an assumption. YHWH is not the Name of the Father in heaven, it is a functional descriptor of the Most High as a function meaning “He who exists”.
As-It-Reads does not consider the Most High old name is “eloah”.
The Most High new name is “father”. This word meaning is incorrect as a whole, the meaning for “Ab” is provider.
Specifically a father is a provider. So are fruit trees providers. But fruit trees are not fathers.
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As-it-Reads.com 16. If the Holy Spirit is a divine person like the Father and the Son then why does the Scripture refer to the Holy Spirit as an IT? Father and the Son were never referred as IT.
Rob” A medium is a function and does not have a personal form. Hence the term can be referenced as “he” meaning masculine love personalities are carried, or “her” feminine love personalities are carried or “it” a reference to the medium function itself.
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