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Personal comments on A.T. Jones understanding of faith
A.T. Jones: "Anyone who seeks in the word of God for the specific things which God has provided and then bows upon that specific word for that thing, is asking according to the plainly expressed will of God, and knows that his prayer is heard and that he has the thing for which he prayed. So doing, the prayers will be always certain, the life will be filled with the direct gifts of God, and the faith will be sure and strong and will be ever increasing in strength ( www.1888mpm.org/files/Lessons%20on%20Faith-AT%20Jones.pdf ) (This writing is NOT published by EGW writings.org; not found on this website.)
ROB: “This is confirmation, I seek, that the Lord gave me light regarding salvation and faith independently and for many years, BEFORE I learned of A. T Jones and his writings. I have heard of Waggoner and Jones and their Righteousness by Faith thing in 1888, but our SDA Church just treated this as another idea of the past, soon to be forgotten, and after all, their messages were not inspired, so we thought? Sadly the SDA Church moved forward with more traditions and precepts of men, and we were never taught of the pioneers and the landmarks established as truth from days long ago. So as a child baptized into the SDA Church from age 21, in 1981; I grew up never hearing of ‘saving-faith’, and we have in our baptism vows no understanding of ‘faith’, so much so, that of the 28 Fundamentals of which none help us to be saved, the missing Fundamental called Faith, is missing from our creed.
In 1888 A. T. Jones wrote this passage above, is the clearest confirmation that our views of faith developed from January 2012 until 2024, as a gradual enlightenment from the Lord Jesus, is totally independent from the light given to A.T. Jones, yet we both agree exactly.
Further Mrs White also writes about this “saving-faith” which was really only discovered when the Author studied her messages more and more, and the Lord enlightened me over time since 2024, but the learning started way back in 2012. Notice A. T. Jones wrote his messages from the Lord over 136 years ago.
Question: Why doesn’t A.T.Jones write of “precious-promises” and talk of “saving-faith” in more sentences of his experience? This suggests to me A. T. Jones lost the experience gained from training in the “saving-faith” he proclaimed?
How come the Church does not write of this light and show the applications of “saving-faith” ? It’s like we have lived as a Church in the Dark Ages for over 100 years, without learning of “saving-faith” ? Is there anybody out there from 1888 who discovered “saving-faith” and wrote about it? Mrs White did. A. T. Jones did in just one of his clearest passages above. But I do not read of any more details from A. T. Jones. It is like he was given light, but failed to go with it. I get the impression that both Jones and Waggoner were both granted this light, but backslid into the darkness again, allowing our SDA Church to reenter another Dark Age for 100 years. How sad. Surely this can’t be so. I will investigate our pioneers for evidence.
Now I have noticed in my witness to others of this amazing revelation from Jesus, that others are skeptical of this “saving-faith” process. Some have reported to me they tried a “precious -promise” but it did not work. Hmm?
So now O Lord I have to be trained as a social expert. Why does your “precious-promises” not work in others, but does work in me? What are the conditions of receiving the “faith-promises” of Jesus? Ellen White terms them as “precious-promises” but we prefer to write them as “faith-promises”. The scroll of Yashah chapter 14 verse 2, writes them as “take takings as words” and this is best rendered in English as “precious-promises” or “faith-promises” or “faith-foods”.
I have much more training to learn before helping others learn of this amazing light granted to me by Jesus , over these years.
Faith is a relational process. Faith is a flow of power from heavenly parents. One thing that bothers me, is the way A. T. Jones writes about the functional role of the Holy Spirit. If this writing is anything to go by, it has established more “traditions and precepts of men”, that has confused our SDA Church in the latter times.
The Masonic philosophy is to promote confusion: this is the very Hebrew meaning of the word Babylon, and this wine is drunk by all of us because we are drowning in the wine of confusion. What does the Scripture say of confusion at the last days of time?
Re 18:2 .. Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, ... the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,...
Babylon is both a city theme and a writing theme, as well as a thinking theme. You have to live outside of large towns and cities, get away from listening to popular media, and start connecting by faith to a different kind of thinking, that Jesus offers by the still small voice in your head. Are you willing to do all these three things?
Here is a parable about “saving-faith” :-
Mt 13:3 Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
The purpose of the plough is to break up the clods and make a suitable home for the seed to find nurture to germinate and grow. In other words a plough "conditions things, often under heavy handedness" like a ram trapped in a thicket, or a plough jumping over a stump or clod breaking it up.
So the first in this process is the Yasha begins to yasha.
If we read the pictures of this word, right to left, we have “The watching-pressing-hands” is the same idea but makes the word function more easier to fathom.
This name is given to the Son of Man here:
Mt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name YASHA: for he shall yasha his people from their sins.
The same Name as a Divine Function, is written first here, in the OT:
Ge 49:18 I have waited for thy “salvation YHWH”.
Let’s explain this “strange picture” function in Ancient Hebrew pictures.
“The active hands pressed: secure: watches, Behold the Divine power!” Strong’s 3444.
and
“The active hands from a Divine Being Behold: The secure Divine Being Behold”
You will notice relational Divine Beings save humans, who function as one, because they function with faith, and this is a cardinal single flow of power.
The active hands pressed watches is a Divine Being, but He is relationally using the Father’s secure powers by faith. The term YHWH is the same idea.
Perhaps readers do not catch what is said. “salvation YHWH” is a term referring to a single function of saving humans, but the action is based on faith, and this requires one Divine Being supporting another Divine Being. The Ancient Hebrew letter “F” or the “tent peg” means “secure” is a reference to the Provider Father. So the SON with active hands watches humans to save them using the flow of His Father, and thus “salvation YHWH” is a single function of salvation, but it is written as two members of Divinity.
Sadly the translators are confused over this and we miss out on the OT references to Jesus-YHWH who saves. Jesus had to translate the Hebrew correctly to Hebrew reading people who read their Hebrew using traditions and precepts of men (Luke 24:27).
Now back to the function of a plough:
Strong’s 5214 “Over the nations, the active hands of the head” both verb and noun forms, Jeff Benner suggest is plough/ploughs.
But this function does not have a “plough” picture. Hmm? Therefore I do not agree, and like the King James version of “break up” but what is the noun complete picture “broken”?
Strong’s 270 “The Strong Outside Plough” is a meaning to “take” ? Something is not correct with our pictures of the plough letter? Our translators are fuzzy and inconsistent.
Jer 4:3.. Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.
This could be read as “break-up the un-broken, sow not among thorns”
Ho 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you. (KJV)
This could read as “Sow to yourself straight-lines, reap mercy, break up your un-broken for it is time to seek the Lord...”
Another Q time .... dear readers...how we live in confusion.... why did the Lord allow this confusion?
Eze 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
(KJV)
parable: “Strong 4912 “The flowing pressed Authority” meaning “simile” or “proverb” or “parable”
Ps 78:2 I will open my mouth in a “simile”: I will utter dark sayings of old:
The purpose of a poetry parables, does three things, it allows people to doubt if they want to, it hides the truth from casual readers, and to the one who can truly see, it shows the unknown using simple comparisons, which are called similes.
Now let’s continue with the faith parable of the Master Sower:
There are four types of people who react to “Seeds of Faith” :-
(1) The doubter
Mt 13:4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
These people never begin because the “seeds of faith” are snatched away by others immediately. They are doubters and doubt is the opposite of faith. A doubter never gets started because ? well that is another Q question... strange because GOD promised to give every human who ever lived enough of Divinity to begin to respond and support GOD, ( Gen 3:15 ) so nobody is left recklessly to the Opposer.
(2) Doing my way - right in my own eyes
Mt 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
The SUN is a simile of the Grand Provider of love, but the faith process cannot continue to grow under this love pouring because the water of the Holy Spirit is not soaked up in the receiver receiving the flow of faith power. You cannot just ask for a “Faith-promise” willy nilly hoping for a miraculous flow without spending time with the Holy Spirit who as a Comforter helps you with the faith process. Since faith is relational, you must first drink milk from the Holy Spirit in wholesome but milky doses from the Saviour first, so you gradually get used to “saving-faith” and learn to appreciate greater pours of the flow of love.
This theme is confirmed by A. T. Jones here ".. the life will be filled with the direct gifts of God, and the faith will be sure and strong and will be ever increasing in strength..
So the child like faith grows in ever increasing strength. You cannot take short cuts in this faith growing process. You have to develop trust and this is a learning process. You have to memorise “precious promises” and this requires you to read the Scriptures more and more seeking specific needs you require for greater increased powers from faith.
But some of us have been going to Church for years, reading our Bible for years, drinking milk for years. Question: Is it healthy for grown up adults to be still drinking milk?
What does the Bible say about this?
Mr 4:28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. (KJV)
So the faith process is gradual, first the blade, then the ear and after the kernel of seeds in the head, the fruit of more seed.
Question: Why is the earth a simile of the Mother? is this because we came from Mother Earth? Or is Mother Earth a simile of something else?
Ge 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
So water from the earth watered the faith process of growth, is also a simile.
Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And so the air from the earth empowers the man with the breath of life, is also a simile.
And the earth from which matter is made in biological material, is a simile of ?
And the sacred words embedded in the matter on DNA is a simile of ?
Ge 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
A river on the earth watered the garden on the earth, is also a simile. Why four heads?
Seems like three heads of divinity plus the fourth being Adam, is one hypothesis.
Ge 2:18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Why does GOD make a Helper, who is “look at the ploughed head”, this is a simile of God who is also a Helper for man.
Why do we need a “ploughed head” to help us receive faith? For one thing we notice,the ploughed head has conditioned the process of receiving faith as a process. Ploughing conditions the head, so the seeds of faith can grow functionally. This is a function of the Help-mate. Notice the help-mate is masculine grammar case in Hebrew, because she can function as a provider, though often functions as a responder of love with feminine grammar case. (Do not assume words written in grammar case refer to pronouns of gender.)
Who is the Divine “ploughed head”, or is this another simile that is unknown?
Ge 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Notice the woman was built from the man, and was in a genetic clone of Adam, but not a personality clone, her function of loving is different to the man. In Hebrew there are two love words, not one as we perceive in English.
Ge 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Whose mother and father did Adam and Eve have, that they left to develop a cleaving on their own? Has anybody ever asked this question? Obviously the Heavenly Powers of Elohiym is a family function of both Provider and Responder functions.
Ge 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
(KJV)
Why does Moses write this? Were they naked? Technically yes, but they were clothed with the solid changing colours of light. There are over seven Hebrew words for naked, so maybe this word is fuzzy?
Ps 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:
So this implies Divinity clothed humanity from the beginning, is a simile of who?
Ge 3:20 ¶ And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Here is another clue, who is the mother of all living?
In Hebrew this reads “Adam called his woman’s name Chayah because she is the responder of chayah”.
Do we have a Divine Responder, who is a simile of earth, water, air and living? Yes this Divine Member of Elohiym is termed the Shadday who functions as the Holy Spirit.
The shadday is a masculine Hebrew grammar case word, and the Holy Spirit is a feminine Hebrew grammar case word. I get the impression the gender words refer to the way love provides (gender male) or responds (gender female). You can think of providers and responders as receivers or givers, such as male and female atoms function with valency and marriage bonding in the functions of chemical reactions. But that is another story.
(3) The lukewarmers.
Mat13: 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
The second group are the cold “right in their own eyes” who pretend to love the Lord, but do things using human powers and human rules and tradition.
This third group are lukewarm “a little hotter” than the “cold ones” but just a little short of perfection, so they “are right in their own eyes” but feel they are not quite their, lacking this higher imagined step called “surrender” and thus struggle in their sins every day, doing this using a warmer flow of human power. And these are choked by their propensities, by demons who trap us in pet sinful habits, we hope never run far from us, for a little sinning is fun after all. As Mrs White calls this group. “almost saved, but wholly lost”.
Here we have some people receive and begin the “saving-faith” but weeds choke the power of the faith making the process fruitless in the person. What are weeds in the Bible?
Weeds are special outgrowth adaptations designed by God to help condition the soil with 3D organic building blocks for the faith process to function. So weeds first help the earth to get sufficient 3D material in the earth. Such 3D material is required for the faith process because plants cannot grow without 3D material. To assist in developing this material God had designed small organisms such as bacteria and fungi, which are tiny animals and plants respectively to assist both animals and plants convert inorganic material into organic material required by living systems for the faith process of living.
The ploughing process uproots weeds and displaces their usefulness so to make room for other better plants so the seeds of faith gets a better chance of establishment. In a perfectly functional universe (without any missing) such a designed function would not be required, but GOD in His love designed , should dysfunction occur, such a design change will help preserve the functional flow of faith, even if things should go badly.
This is why the moral eternal firey stones changed for dysfunction, from principles of faith to letters of obedience, so the lukewarmers feel justified in their own eyes, and become rewarded for their good works, which mean nothing in the eyes of the Lord. But if you enter into the grace of the Lord you will see the moral eternal firey stones are functionally about faith principles, where you grow using Divine Power, not human powers at all.
Consider this verse:
Song 2:15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
How do we plough the foxes, the little foxes that spoil the tender nerve endings inside the brains of our vineyard? Notice the poetry similes here.
63 verses in the OT use this word “The strong outside plough” :-
I will try to translate this word as “plough/ploughing”
Ge 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram ploughed” in a thicket by his horns:
Ps 139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall “plough” me.
Song 2:15 “Plough” the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath “ploughed” the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Ec 9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are “ploughed” in an evil net, and as the birds that are “ploughed” in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them
If you notice not all “ploughing” refers to soil conditioning, some context refer to snaring animals, and some to the breaking up of human pride. The broad meaning of this Hebrew word is to “condition” - change something using heavy handedness - strong discipline.
Now let’s return to the Verse "Matthew 13: 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them” what does the NT mean by “choking” the faith process?
Lu 8:33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
There is something about this other verse, explaining “choke” . Weeds are similes of “demons” who enter the minds of men, “choking” the faith process of love in the man.
How does this process work? This choking of the mind by demons?
Ps 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity “aven” “epi-genetic propensities”, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood
Mrs White translates the word “aven” as “propensities”
The Hebrew word meaning for this word is “The strong secure over the nations” while this word has a positive meaning referring to the genetic potential of the Father’s power within the genome of mankind, the opposite meaning is also a part of Hebrew, the epi-genetic potential to go astray as dysfunctional propensities. The sinning angels who function as demons or “shad” who deceive humans with false milk cause the aven genes to do pet sins as habits, and this is inherited to other generations.
So the weeds are genetic potentials inside our head, like little foxes that chew the tender nerve ending of our grape vines in our vineyard of our mind. How do we remove these propensities? By claiming the faith-promise to plough the mind:-
Ex 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
This “Angel” is the messenger of the Grand Provider, the heavenly Father. He is also termed the Yasha-YHWH, or the Saviour or Jesus.
Ex 23:23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
The Yasha-YHWH promises to take you into the land of demons and cut them off, one by one.
Ex 23:28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.
29 I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee.
These “hornets” are “ The travelling active eye: Behold the Being”
These travelling active eyes that are powerful beings, might be cherubims or the Holy Spirit or Jesus or the Father, or a reference to all these powers, who promise to remove and cut off the “weeds” in your land. The important point is the “hornets” are more powerful than the “demons”.
Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Perhaps this verse in Hebrew meant (lost in translation by the Greek)
Ro 8:16 The Ruwach itself beareth witness with our neshamah , that we are the children of God: ( since both of these two words are together in the term “breath of life”)
Ro 8:16 The Grand Medium itself beareth witness with our “breathing of character development” that we are the children of God:
It seems that GOD drives out the Opposers of Faith little by little, as your support of the Faith Process increases, so you gradually inherit the land functionally. Using this method the “you inside of you” is preserved, even though you wish to change under a new ruler of empowerment.
As any farmer would know, having a flourishing canopy of functional plants stops weedy plants from choking the functional plants. So the more faith grows the less the Opposer of faith grows.
Where does Jesus speak of weeds as “enemies” of the soul?
Mt 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.
Now tares were not just ordinary weeds, they were look alike good plants with a final evil intention. Like Sorghum and Johnson’s grass, both grasses grow as grasses, and both look alike, both grow on faith, one on the faith of God ,the other on the faith of the Opposer, but the final outcome of both is the fruit is different.
Mt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Joh 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
Those of us drinking the milk of false providers need to take note:
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(KJV)
So the “faith-process” increases in strength and growth and develops, little by little until you inherit all the land of your soul. Faith is a growing relational process between you and God.
(4) The uncommon straight ones
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
Here Jesus describes the Seed falling onto different people, who process Faith according to the different abilities and minds who ask for power and experience that power.
A human is a point in space, pointless. It takes just two points to make a straight line in space. So the faith process joins your hand to Jesus hand and you walk under the flow of power from Him unto you as a yoking process, where the ploughing process conditions your pride and makes you humble, until you begin to learn to work in the Lord’s power more and more directly as a friend to a friend. (You can adjust the transfer of power in a yoke from an older more experienced ox to a younger inexperience ox who is head strong - this is a simile of how the Lord Jesus yokes to you, with a faith promise "my burden unto you is light.")
Shalom
A.T. Jones: "Anyone who seeks in the word of God for the specific things which God has provided and then bows upon that specific word for that thing, is asking according to the plainly expressed will of God, and knows that his prayer is heard and that he has the thing for which he prayed. So doing, the prayers will be always certain, the life will be filled with the direct gifts of God, and the faith will be sure and strong and will be ever increasing in strength ( www.1888mpm.org/files/Lessons%20on%20Faith-AT%20Jones.pdf ) (This writing is NOT published by EGW writings.org; not found on this website.)
ROB: “This is confirmation, I seek, that the Lord gave me light regarding salvation and faith independently and for many years, BEFORE I learned of A. T Jones and his writings. I have heard of Waggoner and Jones and their Righteousness by Faith thing in 1888, but our SDA Church just treated this as another idea of the past, soon to be forgotten, and after all, their messages were not inspired, so we thought? Sadly the SDA Church moved forward with more traditions and precepts of men, and we were never taught of the pioneers and the landmarks established as truth from days long ago. So as a child baptized into the SDA Church from age 21, in 1981; I grew up never hearing of ‘saving-faith’, and we have in our baptism vows no understanding of ‘faith’, so much so, that of the 28 Fundamentals of which none help us to be saved, the missing Fundamental called Faith, is missing from our creed.
In 1888 A. T. Jones wrote this passage above, is the clearest confirmation that our views of faith developed from January 2012 until 2024, as a gradual enlightenment from the Lord Jesus, is totally independent from the light given to A.T. Jones, yet we both agree exactly.
Further Mrs White also writes about this “saving-faith” which was really only discovered when the Author studied her messages more and more, and the Lord enlightened me over time since 2024, but the learning started way back in 2012. Notice A. T. Jones wrote his messages from the Lord over 136 years ago.
Question: Why doesn’t A.T.Jones write of “precious-promises” and talk of “saving-faith” in more sentences of his experience? This suggests to me A. T. Jones lost the experience gained from training in the “saving-faith” he proclaimed?
How come the Church does not write of this light and show the applications of “saving-faith” ? It’s like we have lived as a Church in the Dark Ages for over 100 years, without learning of “saving-faith” ? Is there anybody out there from 1888 who discovered “saving-faith” and wrote about it? Mrs White did. A. T. Jones did in just one of his clearest passages above. But I do not read of any more details from A. T. Jones. It is like he was given light, but failed to go with it. I get the impression that both Jones and Waggoner were both granted this light, but backslid into the darkness again, allowing our SDA Church to reenter another Dark Age for 100 years. How sad. Surely this can’t be so. I will investigate our pioneers for evidence.
Now I have noticed in my witness to others of this amazing revelation from Jesus, that others are skeptical of this “saving-faith” process. Some have reported to me they tried a “precious -promise” but it did not work. Hmm?
So now O Lord I have to be trained as a social expert. Why does your “precious-promises” not work in others, but does work in me? What are the conditions of receiving the “faith-promises” of Jesus? Ellen White terms them as “precious-promises” but we prefer to write them as “faith-promises”. The scroll of Yashah chapter 14 verse 2, writes them as “take takings as words” and this is best rendered in English as “precious-promises” or “faith-promises” or “faith-foods”.
I have much more training to learn before helping others learn of this amazing light granted to me by Jesus , over these years.
Faith is a relational process. Faith is a flow of power from heavenly parents. One thing that bothers me, is the way A. T. Jones writes about the functional role of the Holy Spirit. If this writing is anything to go by, it has established more “traditions and precepts of men”, that has confused our SDA Church in the latter times.
The Masonic philosophy is to promote confusion: this is the very Hebrew meaning of the word Babylon, and this wine is drunk by all of us because we are drowning in the wine of confusion. What does the Scripture say of confusion at the last days of time?
Re 18:2 .. Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, ... the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Re 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,...
Babylon is both a city theme and a writing theme, as well as a thinking theme. You have to live outside of large towns and cities, get away from listening to popular media, and start connecting by faith to a different kind of thinking, that Jesus offers by the still small voice in your head. Are you willing to do all these three things?
Here is a parable about “saving-faith” :-
Mt 13:3 Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
In Ancient Hebrew times, the seeds are first scattered over the ground, and later ploughed when the ground is softened by the rain with a ploughing stick pulled along by two oxen.
The purpose of the plough is to break up the clods and make a suitable home for the seed to find nurture to germinate and grow. In other words a plough "conditions things, often under heavy handedness" like a ram trapped in a thicket, or a plough jumping over a stump or clod breaking it up.
So the first in this process is the Yasha begins to yasha.
The Hebrew words in this parable are the same, as two actions, the noun and this verb. The noun is a complete action, showing us that Jesus who is Yasha already knows faith and how faith functions throughout eternity. The second action is a verb showing incomplete action, so the idea is to yasha others. So Yasha throws out faith as seeds hoping to yasha others.
If we read the pictures of this word, left to right, we have “The active hands-pressing-watches” is the picture of a Provider-Shepherd watching for sheep to rescue from danger, using His hands and His eyes.
If we read the pictures of this word, right to left, we have “The watching-pressing-hands” is the same idea but makes the word function more easier to fathom.
This name is given to the Son of Man here:
Mt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name YASHA: for he shall yasha his people from their sins.
The same Name as a Divine Function, is written first here, in the OT:
Ge 49:18 I have waited for thy “salvation YHWH”.
Let’s explain this “strange picture” function in Ancient Hebrew pictures.
“The active hands pressed: secure: watches, Behold the Divine power!” Strong’s 3444.
and
“The active hands from a Divine Being Behold: The secure Divine Being Behold”
You will notice relational Divine Beings save humans, who function as one, because they function with faith, and this is a cardinal single flow of power.
The active hands pressed watches is a Divine Being, but He is relationally using the Father’s secure powers by faith. The term YHWH is the same idea.
Perhaps readers do not catch what is said. “salvation YHWH” is a term referring to a single function of saving humans, but the action is based on faith, and this requires one Divine Being supporting another Divine Being. The Ancient Hebrew letter “F” or the “tent peg” means “secure” is a reference to the Provider Father. So the SON with active hands watches humans to save them using the flow of His Father, and thus “salvation YHWH” is a single function of salvation, but it is written as two members of Divinity.
Sadly the translators are confused over this and we miss out on the OT references to Jesus-YHWH who saves. Jesus had to translate the Hebrew correctly to Hebrew reading people who read their Hebrew using traditions and precepts of men (Luke 24:27).
Now back to the function of a plough:
Strong’s 5214 “Over the nations, the active hands of the head” both verb and noun forms, Jeff Benner suggest is plough/ploughs.
But this function does not have a “plough” picture. Hmm? Therefore I do not agree, and like the King James version of “break up” but what is the noun complete picture “broken”?
Strong’s 270 “The Strong Outside Plough” is a meaning to “take” ? Something is not correct with our pictures of the plough letter? Our translators are fuzzy and inconsistent.
Jer 4:3.. Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.
This could be read as “break-up the un-broken, sow not among thorns”
Ho 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you. (KJV)
This could read as “Sow to yourself straight-lines, reap mercy, break up your un-broken for it is time to seek the Lord...”
Another Q time .... dear readers...how we live in confusion.... why did the Lord allow this confusion?
Eze 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
(KJV)
parable: “Strong 4912 “The flowing pressed Authority” meaning “simile” or “proverb” or “parable”
Ps 78:2 I will open my mouth in a “simile”: I will utter dark sayings of old:
The purpose of a poetry parables, does three things, it allows people to doubt if they want to, it hides the truth from casual readers, and to the one who can truly see, it shows the unknown using simple comparisons, which are called similes.
Now let’s continue with the faith parable of the Master Sower:
There are four types of people who react to “Seeds of Faith” :-
(1) The doubter
Mt 13:4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
These people never begin because the “seeds of faith” are snatched away by others immediately. They are doubters and doubt is the opposite of faith. A doubter never gets started because ? well that is another Q question... strange because GOD promised to give every human who ever lived enough of Divinity to begin to respond and support GOD, ( Gen 3:15 ) so nobody is left recklessly to the Opposer.
(2) Doing my way - right in my own eyes
Mt 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
These people receive the “Seeds of faith” and they germinate, but the faith process rapidly dies due to a lack of water. Some of them are great pious doers, they promise to do the words of the Lord, rather than relationally support the words using faith, so they do using human power. They are like Cain, Self empowered doers. They are not Divinely empowered doers.
The foolish virgins also fit into this class, ones who are self doing, saved by their own works of doing. They run out of the Holy Spirit function process in which God empowers them, so they learn to empower themselves, and thus the OT describes them as “right in their own eyes” Jg 17:6.
The SUN is a simile of the Grand Provider of love, but the faith process cannot continue to grow under this love pouring because the water of the Holy Spirit is not soaked up in the receiver receiving the flow of faith power. You cannot just ask for a “Faith-promise” willy nilly hoping for a miraculous flow without spending time with the Holy Spirit who as a Comforter helps you with the faith process. Since faith is relational, you must first drink milk from the Holy Spirit in wholesome but milky doses from the Saviour first, so you gradually get used to “saving-faith” and learn to appreciate greater pours of the flow of love.
This theme is confirmed by A. T. Jones here ".. the life will be filled with the direct gifts of God, and the faith will be sure and strong and will be ever increasing in strength..
So the child like faith grows in ever increasing strength. You cannot take short cuts in this faith growing process. You have to develop trust and this is a learning process. You have to memorise “precious promises” and this requires you to read the Scriptures more and more seeking specific needs you require for greater increased powers from faith.
But some of us have been going to Church for years, reading our Bible for years, drinking milk for years. Question: Is it healthy for grown up adults to be still drinking milk?
What does the Bible say about this?
Mr 4:28 For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. (KJV)
So the faith process is gradual, first the blade, then the ear and after the kernel of seeds in the head, the fruit of more seed.
Question: Why is the earth a simile of the Mother? is this because we came from Mother Earth? Or is Mother Earth a simile of something else?
Ge 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
So water from the earth watered the faith process of growth, is also a simile.
Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
And so the air from the earth empowers the man with the breath of life, is also a simile.
And the earth from which matter is made in biological material, is a simile of ?
And the sacred words embedded in the matter on DNA is a simile of ?
Ge 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
A river on the earth watered the garden on the earth, is also a simile. Why four heads?
Seems like three heads of divinity plus the fourth being Adam, is one hypothesis.
Ge 2:18 ¶ And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Why does GOD make a Helper, who is “look at the ploughed head”, this is a simile of God who is also a Helper for man.
Why do we need a “ploughed head” to help us receive faith? For one thing we notice,the ploughed head has conditioned the process of receiving faith as a process. Ploughing conditions the head, so the seeds of faith can grow functionally. This is a function of the Help-mate. Notice the help-mate is masculine grammar case in Hebrew, because she can function as a provider, though often functions as a responder of love with feminine grammar case. (Do not assume words written in grammar case refer to pronouns of gender.)
Who is the Divine “ploughed head”, or is this another simile that is unknown?
Ge 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Notice the woman was built from the man, and was in a genetic clone of Adam, but not a personality clone, her function of loving is different to the man. In Hebrew there are two love words, not one as we perceive in English.
Ge 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Whose mother and father did Adam and Eve have, that they left to develop a cleaving on their own? Has anybody ever asked this question? Obviously the Heavenly Powers of Elohiym is a family function of both Provider and Responder functions.
Ge 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
(KJV)
Why does Moses write this? Were they naked? Technically yes, but they were clothed with the solid changing colours of light. There are over seven Hebrew words for naked, so maybe this word is fuzzy?
Ps 104:2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:
So this implies Divinity clothed humanity from the beginning, is a simile of who?
Ge 3:20 ¶ And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Here is another clue, who is the mother of all living?
In Hebrew this reads “Adam called his woman’s name Chayah because she is the responder of chayah”.
Do we have a Divine Responder, who is a simile of earth, water, air and living? Yes this Divine Member of Elohiym is termed the Shadday who functions as the Holy Spirit.
The shadday is a masculine Hebrew grammar case word, and the Holy Spirit is a feminine Hebrew grammar case word. I get the impression the gender words refer to the way love provides (gender male) or responds (gender female). You can think of providers and responders as receivers or givers, such as male and female atoms function with valency and marriage bonding in the functions of chemical reactions. But that is another story.
(3) The lukewarmers.
Mat13: 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
The second group are the cold “right in their own eyes” who pretend to love the Lord, but do things using human powers and human rules and tradition.
This third group are lukewarm “a little hotter” than the “cold ones” but just a little short of perfection, so they “are right in their own eyes” but feel they are not quite their, lacking this higher imagined step called “surrender” and thus struggle in their sins every day, doing this using a warmer flow of human power. And these are choked by their propensities, by demons who trap us in pet sinful habits, we hope never run far from us, for a little sinning is fun after all. As Mrs White calls this group. “almost saved, but wholly lost”.
Here we have some people receive and begin the “saving-faith” but weeds choke the power of the faith making the process fruitless in the person. What are weeds in the Bible?
Weeds are special outgrowth adaptations designed by God to help condition the soil with 3D organic building blocks for the faith process to function. So weeds first help the earth to get sufficient 3D material in the earth. Such 3D material is required for the faith process because plants cannot grow without 3D material. To assist in developing this material God had designed small organisms such as bacteria and fungi, which are tiny animals and plants respectively to assist both animals and plants convert inorganic material into organic material required by living systems for the faith process of living.
The ploughing process uproots weeds and displaces their usefulness so to make room for other better plants so the seeds of faith gets a better chance of establishment. In a perfectly functional universe (without any missing) such a designed function would not be required, but GOD in His love designed , should dysfunction occur, such a design change will help preserve the functional flow of faith, even if things should go badly.
This is why the moral eternal firey stones changed for dysfunction, from principles of faith to letters of obedience, so the lukewarmers feel justified in their own eyes, and become rewarded for their good works, which mean nothing in the eyes of the Lord. But if you enter into the grace of the Lord you will see the moral eternal firey stones are functionally about faith principles, where you grow using Divine Power, not human powers at all.
Consider this verse:
Song 2:15 Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
The word “take” is “The strong outside plough” why is this the meaning of “take” ?
Consider if we assume this letter really does mean “plough”?
How do we plough the foxes, the little foxes that spoil the tender nerve endings inside the brains of our vineyard? Notice the poetry similes here.
63 verses in the OT use this word “The strong outside plough” :-
I will try to translate this word as “plough/ploughing”
Ge 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram ploughed” in a thicket by his horns:
Ps 139:10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall “plough” me.
Song 2:15 “Plough” the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes.
14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath “ploughed” the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Ec 9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are “ploughed” in an evil net, and as the birds that are “ploughed” in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them
If you notice not all “ploughing” refers to soil conditioning, some context refer to snaring animals, and some to the breaking up of human pride. The broad meaning of this Hebrew word is to “condition” - change something using heavy handedness - strong discipline.
Now let’s return to the Verse "Matthew 13: 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them” what does the NT mean by “choking” the faith process?
Lu 8:33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
There is something about this other verse, explaining “choke” . Weeds are similes of “demons” who enter the minds of men, “choking” the faith process of love in the man.
How does this process work? This choking of the mind by demons?
Ps 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity “aven” “epi-genetic propensities”, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood
Mrs White translates the word “aven” as “propensities”
The Hebrew word meaning for this word is “The strong secure over the nations” while this word has a positive meaning referring to the genetic potential of the Father’s power within the genome of mankind, the opposite meaning is also a part of Hebrew, the epi-genetic potential to go astray as dysfunctional propensities. The sinning angels who function as demons or “shad” who deceive humans with false milk cause the aven genes to do pet sins as habits, and this is inherited to other generations.
So the weeds are genetic potentials inside our head, like little foxes that chew the tender nerve ending of our grape vines in our vineyard of our mind. How do we remove these propensities? By claiming the faith-promise to plough the mind:-
Ex 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
This “Angel” is the messenger of the Grand Provider, the heavenly Father. He is also termed the Yasha-YHWH, or the Saviour or Jesus.
Ex 23:23 For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
The Yasha-YHWH promises to take you into the land of demons and cut them off, one by one.
Ex 23:28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.
29 I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee.
These “hornets” are “ The travelling active eye: Behold the Being”
These travelling active eyes that are powerful beings, might be cherubims or the Holy Spirit or Jesus or the Father, or a reference to all these powers, who promise to remove and cut off the “weeds” in your land. The important point is the “hornets” are more powerful than the “demons”.
Ex 23:30 By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.
God never removes your character "clean and brand new" upon your baptism, lest the bare desolate land of your soul is open to newer demons and newer distractions against you. No, the Lord respects your "older though sinful character" and in the compassion-centre of the Holy Spirit, you are redeveloped with renewed character that eventually over comes the older character and makes the older character die. So the character or building of a new spirit within you is gradual and powerful administrated by the Holy Spirit. It is often an idiom of SDA people, and the Bible, I die daily (1Co 15:31).
Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Perhaps this verse in Hebrew meant (lost in translation by the Greek)
Ro 8:16 The Ruwach itself beareth witness with our neshamah , that we are the children of God: ( since both of these two words are together in the term “breath of life”)
Ro 8:16 The Grand Medium itself beareth witness with our “breathing of character development” that we are the children of God:
It seems that GOD drives out the Opposers of Faith little by little, as your support of the Faith Process increases, so you gradually inherit the land functionally. Using this method the “you inside of you” is preserved, even though you wish to change under a new ruler of empowerment.
As any farmer would know, having a flourishing canopy of functional plants stops weedy plants from choking the functional plants. So the more faith grows the less the Opposer of faith grows.
Where does Jesus speak of weeds as “enemies” of the soul?
Mt 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.
Now tares were not just ordinary weeds, they were look alike good plants with a final evil intention. Like Sorghum and Johnson’s grass, both grasses grow as grasses, and both look alike, both grow on faith, one on the faith of God ,the other on the faith of the Opposer, but the final outcome of both is the fruit is different.
Mt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Joh 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
Those of us drinking the milk of false providers need to take note:
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(KJV)
So the “faith-process” increases in strength and growth and develops, little by little until you inherit all the land of your soul. Faith is a growing relational process between you and God.
(4) The uncommon straight ones
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
Here Jesus describes the Seed falling onto different people, who process Faith according to the different abilities and minds who ask for power and experience that power.
A human is a point in space, pointless. It takes just two points to make a straight line in space. So the faith process joins your hand to Jesus hand and you walk under the flow of power from Him unto you as a yoking process, where the ploughing process conditions your pride and makes you humble, until you begin to learn to work in the Lord’s power more and more directly as a friend to a friend. (You can adjust the transfer of power in a yoke from an older more experienced ox to a younger inexperience ox who is head strong - this is a simile of how the Lord Jesus yokes to you, with a faith promise "my burden unto you is light.")
Shalom