A Bible study of Shamar and Natsar

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A Bible study of Natar and shamar

I wish to thank to the Lord in dreams for helping me resolve these difficult word meanings in Ancient Hebrew on Sabbath 13 June 2024.

Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; “process” his soul.

While many assume shamar is to save Job’s soul, the LORD allows the Opposer to process his soul, how far this is allowed is not clear in this context. Since the verb is an incomplete action, the Opposer is not allowed to process Job’s soul until all is over, leaving Job nothing but lees.

Job 10:12 Thou hast granted me life and favour, and thy visitation hath "processed” my medium.

Footnote: the medium (Hebrew ruwach - Holy Spirit) refers to the carrying of power by God, processing you, if you choose to allow this, is a function of the Holy Spirit, and processes in you your character)

Ps 12:7 Thou shalt “process” them, O LORD, thou shalt [preserve ] them from this generation for ever.

Here both natsar and shamar are present, as a poetry parallel so these two words are similes of each other.

GOD “processes” man. GOD “preserves” man. Forever.

Does the reader catch what this verse is saying. The faith process is about you living under GOD's power and His processing of you forever, but you are relationally with GOD and thus the processing is via your will. You ask for this. You want this. You are therefore preserved forever by GOD.

Why is this simile mentioned?

Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

The verse before talks of the words of faith tried in the furnace of love , purified seven times.


Ps 12:3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: 4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

Obviously if ye live by faith, your words are never your own, you are processing the words of the Lord using His faith powers and thus you eat or process His words, and His power, thus you are relationally yoked to His power. “Lord your words, not mine I speak”

Ps 12:2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.

People speaking using free will, living on self powers of human endeavour, are like a double heart, they speak like an empty storm, all bang and no rain. As the saying goes, “An empty vessel makes the most noise”

Biologically and spiritually we are to process His words, live in them, eat them, is as literal meaning as this word suggests. The word “obey” is a specific meaning, and has the idea to “obey using human endeavour” means nothing to the Lord. Instead you are to process His words using faith, eat them, just as Israel ate the manna in the desert, which is a biological simile of faith in the real life and how the word “shamar” functions.


Ps 16:1 “Process” me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust.

Here is a “faith-promise” “Process me O GOD”

Allow GOD to mix His Word in you so you are processed into the most tasting grape juice ever, ready to be savoured by all who wish to drink you, and enjoy your character. I would dare to postulate that character is not developed, it is processed by the Lord.

Footnote: Some assume the processing of biological agents makes juice alcoholic, but this is not the case for unfermented juice, the time of the process and the way the juice is processed is totally different.

Ps 17:8 “Process” me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,

Ps 18:21 For I “process” the ways of the LORD,

Ps 25:20 O “process” my soul, and deliver me:

Notice God will process our soul. This is a Faith-promise. Ask for this.

Ps 37:28 ...the saints are processed for ever:

Does the reader catch the verse meaning here?

Ps 119:4 ¶ Thou hast commanded us to “process” thy precepts diligently.

Ps 119:9 ¶ BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by "processing” according to thy word.

The reader gets the idea, such a word meaning should fit all contexts, now for the completed action the noun, meaning “Processed”

Ps 75:8 For in the hand of the LORD there is a cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the “processed” thereof, all the wicked of the earth shall wring them out, and drink them.


Footnote: When you make unfermented grape juice, the biological life in the juice processes the juice making the juice cloudy and with sediment, until finally there is the remains of that processed. A fully completed action by the biological agents in the medium.

Isa 25:6 ¶ And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the “processed” of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the “processed” well refined.

The completed action of processing unfermented grape juice is term “dregs” or “lees”, but Hebrew is not about labels of description, but about actions and verbs. Hence the word meaning “processed” means the “processing” of biological agents within the juice is completed within the time frame set for the juice. Making alcoholic fermented juice requires different biological agents, and different environmental factors, not commonly known in Ancient Bible times.

Jer 48:11 Moab hath been at ease from his youth, and he has been quietly “processed” and hath not been emptied from vessel to vessel, neither hath he gone into captivity: therefore his taste remained in him, and his scent is not changed.

Notice some humans are more gently processed and thus given special consideration since they are still youth and inexperienced.

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Natsar Strong’s 5342 “Over the nations, the travelling head”

Comes in two actions, the uncomplete and the complete
meaning “preserve/preserved-bud”

Isa 11:1 ¶ And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a “Preserved-bud” shall grow out of his roots:

Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable “preserved-bud”,

Isa 60:21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the “preserved-bud” of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

Footnote: Wow, this has the picture of the straight ones are grafted into the Lord, as the “preserved-bud” suggests.


Da 11:7 But out of a “preserved-bud” of her roots shall one stand up in his estate,

Thank you Lord for a most difficult time dealing with noun and verb actions of words, that must have similar meanings. Jeff Benner left the noun meaning as an unknown connection to the root. With some Divine help via the Holy Spirit, I praise GOD for His help in this translation process.

Shalom

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Now for some Hebrew overtones into the latter rains.

Why should we do this?

Isa 28:11 For with .... another tongue will he speak to this people.

First God makes a prophecy that He will allow His Hebrew to go out into another Universal Tongue called Kione Greek.

This does two things, it preserves the Hebrew writings of the OT and makes the latter writings hidden from casual readers.

Where does this prophecy say the writings of the latter rain are hidden?

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Here in the same verse, and the impact of this latter rain:

Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

The NT is refreshing, but they still do not hear.

Who is the Author of both the former OT and the latter NT, termed in Scripture the former and latter rains?

Ho 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Notice the YHWH is the same Author of His OT and His NT, and in fact lived from eternity writing both messages using His servants.

So this make the YHWH in the NT Jesus doesn't it?

Where does the OT speak of Two YHWH's doing the role of salvation, together?

Ex 23:17 Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.
18 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread; neither shall the fat of my sacrifice remain until the morning.
19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

These are judgements expanding the ten words of faith. Notice there are special times to come to the Sanctuary of the Lord YHWH, and the sacrifice of the Lord YHWH is a special significance in many similes, the simile of unleavened bread, meaning remove all missing in your life, and seek the life principle of living correctly pointing to the Sustain-er of all living. Notice the next poetry simile : do not cook a kid in it's mothers milk. How many consider the Elohiym Power as heavenly Parents with a Divine Son?

Now notice the expounding nature of the Ten Words:

Ex 23:20 ¶ Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

The word behind Angel is malak, a Messenger. Now what Messenger has His Father's Name in Him, and can pardon your sins?

Ex 23:22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. (KJV)

Do readers catch TWO Divine members speaking here? Must we spell it out for you?

Ex 23:22 But if thou shalt indeed obey Jesus-YHWH voice, and do all that Father-YHWH speak; then Father-YHWH will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. (Ancient Hebrew)

You see both YHWH's work together in Your salvation, because the powers are always based on faith, and faith is relational, just as love is relational.

Where is this explained again. that Jesus had to translate the Hebrew to Hebrew reading supporters (Luke 24:27) ?

Ge 49:18 I have waited for thy salvation YHWH. (KJV)

Notice the words "salvation" and "YHWH" written in Ancient Hebrew pictures.

Salvation: “The active hands pressed: secure: watches, Behold the Divine power!” Strong’s 3444.

and

YHWH: “The active hands from a Divine Being Behold: The secure Divine Being Behold”

You will notice relational Divine Beings save humans, who function as one, because they function with faith, and this is a mathematically cardinal single flow of power.

The active hands pressed watches is a Divine Being, but He is relationally using the Father’s secure powers by faith. The term YHWH is the same idea.

Perhaps readers do not catch what is said. “salvation YHWH” is a term referring to a single function of saving humans, but the action is based on faith, and this requires one Divine Being supporting another Divine Being. The Ancient Hebrew letter “F” or the “tent peg” means “secure” is a reference to the Provider Father. So the SON with active hands watches humans to save them using the flow of His Father, and thus “salvation YHWH” is a single function of salvation, but it is written as two members of Divinity.

Now these statements can be doubted and scoffers will scoff, so the unlearned cannot learn because the writings are sealed.

Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

So readers in the NT "go and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." and are trapped in confusion. It's your choice.

Isa 29:11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

So we doubt because the writings are sealed, we are not learned, so we trust our translators implicitly to our peril. Does the Scriptures teach we are to trust implicitly the traditions and precepts of men, ie scholarly translators?

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

What promise does the Father-YHWH and the Son-YHWH make for those readers who really what to catch the vison of the Torah Scriptures?

Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people,

This wonder of wonders is only mentioned three times in the Bible, so its a really big deal.... God is in control of the BABYLON force that sweeps across the world with confusion. Question: Do people want to be confused, so they can live and enjoy the fun of self will doing what is right in their own eyes? Admit it, isn't pet sins fun for a few seconds every time you do them, what is wrong with missing the powers of YHWH just a little now and than?

What does this wonder of wonders actually promise?

Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

It promises to confound the scholar translators and give humility to those seeking salvation.

Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

It promises to make the deaf hear the Lord clearly speaking to them, and the blind really see the Scriptures clearly. wow!

And how it this achieved?

Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

A picture of the cela rock that made water flow for Israel, taken by Dr Kim, a doctor for Jordan, notice the palm hand shape of Jesus, sitting on top of the FATHER rock.

By the chief corner stone, the corner stone the builders rejected. By the way a corner stone sits on top of the flint foundation rock, and the little stones of the heavenly temple sit on top of the chief corner stone, so this make salvation as community of faith where all things are supporting each other. Faith is about support. Faith is also about process the Holy Words of Faith, as Ellen White terms them the precious promises, or as the Scroll of Son-YHWH terms them in Yasha 14:2 "take takings as words". And what do we do with these "words" we say them to Jesus and He will break your "mouth-head" into lips of praise and fruit. One cannot translate this word into English because 99% of the time it means "bull-calf" and 1%

of the time it refers to humans. So the Lord chose this word as a poetry term for both animals and thus we leave the word as "mouth head" the pictures in Ancient Hebrew.

You will notice a young calf is very good at mouthing off, so are humans:

Ps 22:12 Many "mouth-heads" have compassed me:....Ps 22:13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.

Notice the violent mouthing off at Jesus-YHWH on the cross, and the usual Hebrew word for "mouth" is here, they speak like the Opposer, a simile of the lion.

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Lets go into the NT and make the writings less fuzzy and more like Hebrew :

Re 5:1 ¶ And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

By the way this verse is telling us the scroll of revelation was written in Hebrew. John was a Jew, like other Jews did not speak other languages, unlike Paul who could speak and write Hebrew, Greek and Latin.

Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which "process" the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. ( A verse with more Hebrew pictures)

When supporters of GOD "process" the Ten Words of Faith, and have the testimony of Jesus, what does this mean?

It means they are doing faith as Jesus did faith. They are claiming the "faith promises" in the words and asking Jesus to empower the words with the powers the supporters need, thus both Supporters are supporting each other and the Heavenly Father. This is what this Hebrew word means.

Notice what Joshua said, a simile of Yasha: Jos 24:15 ...but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Israel promises to work for the Lord, but they mean by "obedience" by following the rules and making more rules of human powered obedience, so their pious human efforts are as 'works unto salvation', that sadly mean nothing to the Lord:

But Joshua  says

Jos 24:19 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD:

The children of Israel did not understand the faith process of salvation.

Jos 24:26 And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God,

Anybody who claims the word torah refers to the first five books of the Bible is mistaken, for here is another book added to the five books, making a sixth book of law of God.

How come people misunderstood the salvation process?

Ge 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he (YHWH)  had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

Cain was doing the "chataah" his way, doing salvation according to his rules of human endeavour, not according the the faith principles YHWH told them to do via Adam.

The Hebrew word for "chataah" is "sin-offering" while the Hebrew word for "chata" is "sin".

The difference between these words is the Divine Being, in the word, ( ie: the 'hey' letter "H" Behold the Being! ) , meaning you confessed your missing unto the Divine Being, who in this verse speaking to Cain is YHWH. He was to be their atonement, their kinsman redeemer, their Saviour.

Notice sadly the impact of Cain with doing the "chataah" 

Ge 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, "sin-offering" (chataah) lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

If you do not process the salvation process properly, and make your own human rules of salvation based on obedience to man made traditions, the "sin-offering rules" with rule over you. And all your effort will mean nothing to the Lord.

In other words there are two kinds of doing: Doing using human powers to do

and

Doing using the divine powers of God, in which your doings are His doings in you, based on faith.

This kind of human doing was first introduced by Cain, and later adopted by Israel.

Ex 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.

This is not how faith works. Faith has nothing to do with your doings and your obedience.

But everything to do with your processing of His words and speaking the words so you get GOD to empower your mouth with His praise and fruit.

We have confirmation we have the same pioneer landmarks of light granted to the SDA church people over 136 years ago, written by one given a little light by Jesus in 1888:

A.T.Jones: "The faith itself works in man that which is good, and is sufficient of itself to fill all the life with the goodness of God, and needs not the imperfect effort of sinful man to make it meritorious. This faith gives to man good works, instead of being itself dependent upon man for “good works.” It is not expressed by “faith and works;” but by “faith which works,” “for in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love” (Gal. 5:6). “Seest thou how faith wrought?” (Jas. 2:22).

Notice the way A. T. Jones writes. He is saying the same light, I am saying as light, the same light the Lord gave to me beginning in 2012, and up until 2024, my training in the process of faith is still ongoing and I learn as a child of God.

This is wonderful confirmation, for although we agree with Mrs White, our Hebrew English translator, it is also wonderful to agree with the pioneers of our faith.

We did not read A.T. Jones until this year. We were not encouraged to read of the men given light in 1888. We were told to trust only in inspired writings, yet Mrs White wrote their writings are light, and thus good to heed. Wow, we do not require others to practice this theory of faith to validate the science presented here. It was confirmed by another SDA person over 136 years ago, AND  this is only discovered now, in 2024.

Now dear reader, I suggest you begin to learn genuine faith in Jesus too. And if you succeed in getting faith to flow with God's powers in your life, let others know too. Shalom

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I am in debit to the Lord for the random video link to Pastor Charles Mills of the vine free SDA church. I agree with him that Jones is the best reference to the understanding of faith. How sad our Pastor elaborates nothing further about his own faith, nor does he explain faith to his audience. I also note that there are no practical applications of faith written by A. T. Jones, and further light given to A. T. Jones is missing in his life? Is there more to discover about him, or did he fall back into darkness like the Church has also done?

My prayer is the second revival will wake us from sleep, for salvation is closer to the last days that we fully understand.

Certainly the year 2024 is a year to beyond !

Shalom

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Notice this translation of shamar in the Bible verse :-


Ps 119:9 ¶ BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.

Does shamar mean to heed? no

Ps 16:1 Preserve me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust. (KJV)

Same Hebrew word, does this help the reader? not really - confusing

Pr 7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

Same Hebrew word, does this help the reader? How can shamar have so many different word meanings?

Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (using Hebrew words equivalent to the Greek words)

So how can people talk of obedience, when the Hebrew word "shamar" does not mean this?

Now this Hebrew word comes in verb and noun forms, so while the actions are different the basic meanings of each form MUST be the same.... This helps with word meanings, but how do we understand "verb/noun" when the "noun" means "lees" ?

The Lord impressed me with "process/processed"

The word shamar means to "process" the action of processing things, in which the noun refers to those things completely processed. So only the "lees" is left over.

Now consider these word meanings in their verses:

Ps 119:9 ¶ BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? process according to thy word.

How does the man cleanse his way ? by processing the word, using faith. Faith is processing the word.

Ps 16:1 Process me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust.

Wow, we are processed by GOD as an action when we do faith in His name.

Pr 7:2 Process my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

This is done when we do faith, and thus we are also obeying the powers of the words we claim via faith. Process thy commandments, is actually asking us to be changed because we ask in His name via faith in His word.

Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which process the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Notice the same idea, the supporters are processed by GOD because we ask for this as a faith prayer for certain processing. Thus obedience is a secondary issue,  a nebulous term, is the action of this processing we asked for. Because we ask to be processed we are in obedience, since the processing we asked for comes in us by faith.

We also have testimony of Jesus, because faith requires us to support His name and His powers. Thus we are supporting His Name and Jesus supports us back.

Faith is a relational concept. It is all about Jesus yoking his powers in you. If Jesus is your help-meet, allow Him to plough your head. With heavy handedness condition you to receive His seeds of power growing in you, to the Father's glory. Shalom