Post by Admin on Oct 5, 2024 5:59:49 GMT
The Holy Spirit is defined by Jesus as a medium:
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
In this statement the word "wind" and "Spirit" is the same Greek word.
This is one of the problems why Ellen White says silence is golden. There is nothing in Science on the Internet regarding the word "medium".
What is the scientific definition of medium?
A substance that makes possible the transfer of energy from one location to another, especially through waves.
So in simple terms a medium is something that carries something.
There is nothing mentioned as wind being a medium using air as the media, in Science or on the Internet.
However, the Internet lists air as a media that can become a medium for sound.
Now Ellen White says the nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery, and silence is golden.
EGW: "The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. {AA 52.1}
So why does our Church speak of the Holy Spirit as a "he" ? when silence is golden?
Mrs White does use the term "medium"
What constitutes the sin against the Holy Ghost? It is willfully attributing to Satan the work of the Holy Spirit. For example, suppose that one is a witness of the special work of the Spirit of God. He has convincing evidence that the work is in harmony with the Scriptures, and the Spirit witnesses with his spirit that it is of God. Afterward, however, he falls under temptation; pride, self-sufficiency, or some other evil trait, controls him; and rejecting all the evidence of its divine character, he declares that that which he had before acknowledged to be the power of the Holy Spirit was the power of Satan. It is through the medium of His Spirit that God works upon the human heart; and when men willfully reject the Spirit and declare it to be from Satan, they cut off the channel by which God can communicate with them. By denying the evidence which God has been pleased to give them, they shut out the light which had been shining in their hearts, and as the result they are left in darkness. Thus the words of Christ are verified: “If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!” Matthew 6:23. For a time, persons who have committed this sin may appear to be children of God; but when circumstances arise to develop character and show what manner of spirit they are of, it will be found that they are on the enemy’s ground, standing under his black banner.92 {CCh 81.1}
Ge 7:22 (NKJV) All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of the spirit of life, all that [was] on the dry [land], died.
Ge 7:22 (YLT) all in whose nostrils [is] breath of a living spirit--of all that [is] in the dry land--have died.
God is love. The love of the Father and the Son is an attribute of every believer. The Word of God is the channel through which divine love is communicated to man. God’s truth is the medium by which the intellect is reached. The Holy Spirit is given to the human agent who works in cooperation with divine agencies. It transforms mind and character, enabling man to endure as seeing Him who is invisible. Perfect love can be enjoyed only through the belief of the truth and the reception of the Holy Spirit.... {OFC 294.2}
I marvel that professing Christians do not grasp the divine resources; that they do not see the cross more clearly as the medium of forgiveness and pardon, the means of bringing the proud, selfish heart of man into direct contact with the Holy Spirit, that the riches of Christ may be poured into the mind, and the human agent be adorned with the graces of the Spirit, that Christ may be commended to those who know Him not.17 {OFC 302.
Three and a half years of public ministry was all that the world could bear of the Son of God. Then they crucified Him. The heavenly vine was taken and transplanted on the other side of the wall. But the heavenly boughs hang over this side of the wall. Christ is still with us in his representative, the Holy Spirit. Through this medium communication is kept up between heaven and earth, between God and man. And we must be careful not to destroy this communication, lest we be overcome. {EA 154.5
God alone can impart the Holy Spirit, making it a transforming power unto the saving of the soul. Faith is termed the gift of God, and God opens the heart to receive the Word. The Holy Spirit of God produces its effect through the medium of truth. Jesus prayed for His disciples, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” [Verse 17.] {Lt12-1894.}
Rob: So what does a medium do? It carries something divine in other somethings made of matter, such as humans.
The function of the Holy Spirit is a mystery and silence is golden.
Sadly our Church ignorantly states the Holy Spirit is a "he" whether that means?
Some movements also say the Holy Spirit, is a force? Hmm? Well passive mediums exist in the world,
for example sound is carried by the medium of matter such as air, wood or metal.
for example light is refracted by the boundaries of air and water. and this is a medium affect.
But there are also examples of active administrators of medium affects.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
In this statement the word "wind" and "Spirit" is the same Greek word.
Wind is the movement of air, but the air is just a fluid of air molecules moving randomly about.
The thing we call "wind" is the movement of hot air relative to cold air, as a collective motion from one temperature gradient to another temperature gradient. Therefore "wind" is technically a "medium affect". But this notion is not made of matter, "wind" is not "air", "wind" is the movement of kinetic energy within the air. The air only carries this kinetic energy in a certain direction, and this affect we term "wind". However Science does not talk about mediums such as wind in this way.
This is one of the problems why Ellen White says silence is golden. There is nothing in Science on the Internet regarding the word "medium".
What is the scientific definition of medium?
A substance that makes possible the transfer of energy from one location to another, especially through waves.
This I found on the Internet. Does it make sense to a simple layperson like myself?
No, first of all a "medium" is not a substance, like "matter" is a "substance". A medium is a concept explaining how "energy is carried from one location to another location".
So in simple terms a medium is something that carries something.
There is nothing mentioned as wind being a medium using air as the media, in Science or on the Internet.
However, the Internet lists air as a media that can become a medium for sound.
Now Ellen White says the nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery, and silence is golden.
EGW: "The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. {AA 52.1}
So why does our Church speak of the Holy Spirit as a "he" ? when silence is golden?
Mrs White does use the term "medium"
What constitutes the sin against the Holy Ghost? It is willfully attributing to Satan the work of the Holy Spirit. For example, suppose that one is a witness of the special work of the Spirit of God. He has convincing evidence that the work is in harmony with the Scriptures, and the Spirit witnesses with his spirit that it is of God. Afterward, however, he falls under temptation; pride, self-sufficiency, or some other evil trait, controls him; and rejecting all the evidence of its divine character, he declares that that which he had before acknowledged to be the power of the Holy Spirit was the power of Satan. It is through the medium of His Spirit that God works upon the human heart; and when men willfully reject the Spirit and declare it to be from Satan, they cut off the channel by which God can communicate with them. By denying the evidence which God has been pleased to give them, they shut out the light which had been shining in their hearts, and as the result they are left in darkness. Thus the words of Christ are verified: “If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!” Matthew 6:23. For a time, persons who have committed this sin may appear to be children of God; but when circumstances arise to develop character and show what manner of spirit they are of, it will be found that they are on the enemy’s ground, standing under his black banner.92 {CCh 81.1}
Can anybody explain to me what this passage is talking about?
and the Spirit witnesses with his spirit What does this phrase mean? The Bible word for spirit is the same for these two uses of spirit, so how does the Holy Spirit witness to his Holy Spirit, is this a problem in translation? In the Genesis account there are two Hebrew words used together for one idea, so the phrase should read
and the Spirit (ruwach) witnesses with his spirit (nashamah) - Now I understand. Do readers catch this idea ? The Holy Spirit imparts a part of GOD unto you as you, termed your spirit. And this is conveyed by the word "nashamah".
The Bible use of this phrase is here:
Ge 7:22 All in whose nostrils <'aph> was the breath <n@shamah> <ruwach> of life <chay>,
Notice there are two Hebrew words written for "breath" not one,
Notice many translations:
Ge 7:22 (KJV) All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died.
Ge 7:22 (ASV) all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land, died.
Ge 7:22 (BBE) Everything on the dry land, in which was the breath of life, came to its end.
Ge 7:22 (DBY) everything which had in its nostrils the breath of life, of all that was on the dry [land], died.
Ge 7:22 (MKJV) all who breathed the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry land, died.
Ge 7:22 (NKJV) All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of the spirit of life, all that [was] on the dry [land], died.
Ge 7:22 (RSV) everything on the dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died.
Ge 7:22 (WEB) All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land, died.
Ge 7:22 (WEB) All in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land, died.
Ge 7:22 (YLT) all in whose nostrils [is] breath of a living spirit--of all that [is] in the dry land--have died.
Notice some translation's do translate both Hebrew words, some don't.
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God is love. The love of the Father and the Son is an attribute of every believer. The Word of God is the channel through which divine love is communicated to man. God’s truth is the medium by which the intellect is reached. The Holy Spirit is given to the human agent who works in cooperation with divine agencies. It transforms mind and character, enabling man to endure as seeing Him who is invisible. Perfect love can be enjoyed only through the belief of the truth and the reception of the Holy Spirit.... {OFC 294.2}
I marvel that professing Christians do not grasp the divine resources; that they do not see the cross more clearly as the medium of forgiveness and pardon, the means of bringing the proud, selfish heart of man into direct contact with the Holy Spirit, that the riches of Christ may be poured into the mind, and the human agent be adorned with the graces of the Spirit, that Christ may be commended to those who know Him not.17 {OFC 302.
Three and a half years of public ministry was all that the world could bear of the Son of God. Then they crucified Him. The heavenly vine was taken and transplanted on the other side of the wall. But the heavenly boughs hang over this side of the wall. Christ is still with us in his representative, the Holy Spirit. Through this medium communication is kept up between heaven and earth, between God and man. And we must be careful not to destroy this communication, lest we be overcome. {EA 154.5
God alone can impart the Holy Spirit, making it a transforming power unto the saving of the soul. Faith is termed the gift of God, and God opens the heart to receive the Word. The Holy Spirit of God produces its effect through the medium of truth. Jesus prayed for His disciples, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” [Verse 17.] {Lt12-1894.}
Rob: So what does a medium do? It carries something divine in other somethings made of matter, such as humans.
The function of the Holy Spirit is a mystery and silence is golden.
Sadly our Church ignorantly states the Holy Spirit is a "he" whether that means?
Some movements also say the Holy Spirit, is a force? Hmm? Well passive mediums exist in the world,
for example sound is carried by the medium of matter such as air, wood or metal.
for example light is refracted by the boundaries of air and water. and this is a medium affect.
But there are also examples of active administrators of medium affects.
For example:
1Sa 28:7 ¶ Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.
Here the woman functions as an administrator for the familiar spirit to talk to humans, about people who are dead, that are assumed can talk like being alive again.
The Bible terms this medium affect an abomination, BUT is clearly how the Opposer sees God and his function, and thus counterfeit God's function with a Satanic function of his own.
Here is an example of a Divine Administrator using the medium.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me,
and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
It is written as a poetry parallel.
The Holy Spirit of Strong Authority do "things in" me,
The breathing of the Shadday gives me "ongoing living".
So the medium that does thing in me, is Administrated by the Shadday.
So the Medium is an active medium regulated and administrated by the Shadday.
Who is the Shadday?
First the term in Hebrew is a masculine grammar case word.
In Ancient Hebrew the pictures of this word are "pressing to the door with active hands"
Ge 49:25 This verse does not make "ab" mean the "heavenly Father"? Why not?
Notice the way I see this verse
Ge 49:25 Even by the "Strong Authority" of thy "Heavenly Father", who shall help thee; and by the "Shadday" who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts (in Hebrew: shad), and of the "compassion-centre":
By leaving out "heavenly Father" and making Shadday mean "Almighty Father" the whole verse is skewed.
Ge 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
The Shadday expresses feminine love attributes, with "shad" and "compassion-centre"
Nu 24:16 He hath said, which heard the words of God, and knew the knowledge of the most High, which saw the vision of the Shadday, falling into a trance, but having his eyes open:
This verse is important because it identifies the vision experience as a power of the Holy Spirit, a medium function of the Shadday
{LS 468.3} "In December, 1844, the Holy Spirit gave her a revelation of the second coming of Christ. In this vision of the future there was given a view of the glorious reward that awaits the redeemed and the terrible fate that will come to all who refuse to serve their Lord and Master.
For more see : spiritualsprings.org/ss-1407.htm
Shalom