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page 12 / 186So in other words Mrs Pagel is saying with all those heavy big words that because Paul writes difficult words, that He is speaking of the Spiritual things as things that are NOT literal, but something secret, that Gnostics see on a different level.
Therefore according to Mrs Pagel circumcision of the heart is “pneumatic”? She invents another fancy term to avoid using the Hebrew word meaning “Medium” a function of the Holy Spirit.
Therefore according to Mrs Pagel circumcision of the heart is “pneumatic”? She invents another fancy term to avoid using the Hebrew word meaning “Medium” a function of the Holy Spirit.
So ordinary human getting ordinary Christian experiences are called Psychic Christians.
And the higher level Gnosric human is getting a higher order of knowledge becoming a “higher ordered Christian” are called Pneumatic Christians.
This is one of the only major bits of evidence that Paul is Gnostic.
Consider this doing the Lord God asked Israel to do:
And the higher level Gnosric human is getting a higher order of knowledge becoming a “higher ordered Christian” are called Pneumatic Christians.
This is one of the only major bits of evidence that Paul is Gnostic.
Consider this doing the Lord God asked Israel to do:
Ge 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Question: This is a literal doing all humans could do and had to do in order to become saved in the OT covenant of GOD. Even Gentiles had to undergo circumcision as well as Hebrews.
Ac 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs
Ac 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs
Some of the Christian Hebrews were concerned during a meeting that Paul was teaching Gentiles that they did not have to be circumcised in order to receive the covenant of salvation.
Did this literal doing mean anything to the Lord: Notice what Paul is saying about this literal doing.
Ga 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
So how does Paul see a better literal doing of circumcision?
Did this literal doing mean anything to the Lord: Notice what Paul is saying about this literal doing.
Ga 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
So how does Paul see a better literal doing of circumcision?
Ro 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(KJV)
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(KJV)
Question: Can a human literally circumcise the foreskin around the heart and live? No. But a divine doing can do this.
Notice the OT teachings of this Divine Doing, which is as literal as Human Doing.
De 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Notice the OT teachings of this Divine Doing, which is as literal as Human Doing.
De 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
De 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Jer 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
(KJV)
Jer 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
(KJV)
Notice the true circumcision refers to Divine Doings, NOT Human Doings, which only the Lord God can do, and does to you when you ask for this Divine Doing using FAITH.
The Author suspects the Lord gave Israel the Human Doing to point to the Divine Doing, but sadly Israel never responded properly and Paul says concerning Israel:
The Author suspects the Lord gave Israel the Human Doing to point to the Divine Doing, but sadly Israel never responded properly and Paul says concerning Israel:
Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach
Paul is explaining the two methods of doings here.
First Israel was doing human doings, such as the literal circumcision of the penal flesh. And so they established their own righteousness, but have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Paul goes on to explain the Divine Doings are obtained through Faith which Paul preaches.
Question: How is this literal Divine Doing of the heart obtained for all Christians?
First Israel was doing human doings, such as the literal circumcision of the penal flesh. And so they established their own righteousness, but have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Paul goes on to explain the Divine Doings are obtained through Faith which Paul preaches.
Question: How is this literal Divine Doing of the heart obtained for all Christians?
Ps 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
Another major problem of Mrs Pagels is she wants all readers of Scripture to make false exegesis of the verses. Exegesis is the fancy term to reading a verse as your want to read the verse. Scripture teaches us to read verses as they read, and not make them read something else. Therefore Mrs Pagel is not even allowing the literal reading of the verses, she is wanting to make her own theories from the verses.
Consider this above verse in a prayer David did (ps 51:6). The Author always reads a verse as it reads, but often many of the words are translated fuzzy, not informing the reader of there proper Hebrew intent. Now to make sure the words have Hebrew intent, is called a translation issue,
The English word over the Hebrew here “truth” is a Hebrew word belonging to a family of words about FAITH. So this word has the Hebrew intent to “affirm by faith: truth” .
Consider this above verse in a prayer David did (ps 51:6). The Author always reads a verse as it reads, but often many of the words are translated fuzzy, not informing the reader of there proper Hebrew intent. Now to make sure the words have Hebrew intent, is called a translation issue,
The English word over the Hebrew here “truth” is a Hebrew word belonging to a family of words about FAITH. So this word has the Hebrew intent to “affirm by faith: truth” .
Ps 51:6 Behold, thou desirest “to affirm by faith: truth” in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
David is praying to desire faith in the inward parts of his body, both mind and heart.
Notice the next verses of this prayer.
David is praying to desire faith in the inward parts of his body, both mind and heart.
Notice the next verses of this prayer.
Ps 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
So the literal Divine Doing of circumcision of the heart, is a creative process.
Question: Were the animals created into existence literally as GOD spoke the word? Yes
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
So the literal Divine Doing of circumcision of the heart, is a creative process.
Question: Were the animals created into existence literally as GOD spoke the word? Yes
So this is yet another example of Divine Doings that are also literal.
And what does this Divine Doing promise?
And what does this Divine Doing promise?
De 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
The promise is to renew the heart so you can love the Lord with all your soul, so you can truly live.
The promise is to renew the heart so you can love the Lord with all your soul, so you can truly live.
(So therefore using science one can predict that inside the heart, there are literal changes, changes to the DNA code and changes to the epi-genetic code of people who experience genuine faith. Where we go looking and what to look for is a mystery as science together can hardly read anything from our DNA code, the sacred information is far more complex than science thought originally.)
page 13/ 186So does Paul hide his writings in hidden poetry like Jesus did? That is quite a claim by Mrs Pagels.
There is an entire chapter in the OT on the word “elect” notice and read the chapter, long before Paul even existed:
Isa 42:1 ¶ Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight.
Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
There is an entire chapter in the OT on the word “elect” notice and read the chapter, long before Paul even existed:
Isa 42:1 ¶ Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa 42:16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight.
Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
The elect person is the prophecy of Jesus coming as YHWH to magnify the teachings of the torah.
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect
The elect are those who practice genuine faith in Jesus, who is termed an elect also in Isaiah 42.
Ro 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
The Author is reading Mrs Pagel as way off the track with her assertions that there are Pneumatic Christians (wise) and Psychics Christians (foolish). Why invent fancy terms to confuse readers with more confusion, is a Gnostic principle
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect
The elect are those who practice genuine faith in Jesus, who is termed an elect also in Isaiah 42.
Ro 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
The Author is reading Mrs Pagel as way off the track with her assertions that there are Pneumatic Christians (wise) and Psychics Christians (foolish). Why invent fancy terms to confuse readers with more confusion, is a Gnostic principle
Page 13/186This is quite a claim. Does Paul write to laypersons one thing, and to the spiritual initiates another thing, a much deeper Gnosis?
The historian called Valentian thought so, and terms Paul a Gnostic.
Gnostic Christians are those who are initiates who have higher deeper levels of Bible knowledge, and therefore guarantee for themselves a better salvation? Is this the end goal of the Gnostic Christian experience, a better deeper experience of salvation? Or is it about pride that my journey is more privileged than your journey is?
Consider the terms Mrs Pagels raises, the wise and foolish Christians
The historian called Valentian thought so, and terms Paul a Gnostic.
Gnostic Christians are those who are initiates who have higher deeper levels of Bible knowledge, and therefore guarantee for themselves a better salvation? Is this the end goal of the Gnostic Christian experience, a better deeper experience of salvation? Or is it about pride that my journey is more privileged than your journey is?
Consider the terms Mrs Pagels raises, the wise and foolish Christians
Mt 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
This is a poetry parable, designed to hide messages from casual readers. I have read this poetry parable for years but failed to understand the message until the Lord showed me recently. Notice the poetry concerns the end of time.
Notice this promise of the poetry parables during the end of time:
Da 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
This verse is wrongly understood to mean a rise is secular knowledge. It refers to a rise in the understanding of poetry parables in the Scriptures.
This is a poetry parable, designed to hide messages from casual readers. I have read this poetry parable for years but failed to understand the message until the Lord showed me recently. Notice the poetry concerns the end of time.
Notice this promise of the poetry parables during the end of time:
Da 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
This verse is wrongly understood to mean a rise is secular knowledge. It refers to a rise in the understanding of poetry parables in the Scriptures.
Question: what is the difference between the wise and foolish Christians entering the end of time?
Answer: Oil, a symbol of the Holy Spirit, imparting power to those who support Jesus via Faith.
Answer: Oil, a symbol of the Holy Spirit, imparting power to those who support Jesus via Faith.
So the message is DO NOT go into the end of time with genuine faith, but than run out of genuine faith during the waiting from Jesus to come in the clouds. We are to remain continually practicing faith in Jesus and receiving the replenishing oil for our lamps.
Praise God for Ellen White helping me see this important truth.
See more here : spiritualsprings.proboards.com/thread/66/simple-person-read-bible-verses
Praise God for Ellen White helping me see this important truth.
See more here : spiritualsprings.proboards.com/thread/66/simple-person-read-bible-verses
It is true to the casual reader of Scripture the poetry is locked and hidden, but to those who seek and ask for the mysteries to be unlocked the Lord promises to reveal mysteries to you.
This invitation is opened to all : Ask and ye shall receive.
Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
This invitation is opened to all : Ask and ye shall receive.
Isa 29:12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
Isa 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD,
So the promise of GOD remains, but you have to ask and keep on asking via faith.
19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD,
So the promise of GOD remains, but you have to ask and keep on asking via faith.
page 15 / 186, So Mrs Pagels is sowing only seeds of doubt? She is NOT saying Paul was a Gnostic teacher and a Gnostic initiate.
So her entire book is just to sow seeds of doubt.
Therefore destroy your potential to ask God of faith.
So her entire book is just to sow seeds of doubt.
Therefore destroy your potential to ask God of faith.
Another claim of Mrs Pagel is because many consider Paul as against Gnostic teaching, how is this possible when Gnostic Christians love Paul as their teacher?
I suppose they are make exegesis of the verses into their own speculation and theories of the Scriptures, to support their own world view, rather than read the verses literally as we are supposed to do” Take the Scriptures as they read”
I suppose they are make exegesis of the verses into their own speculation and theories of the Scriptures, to support their own world view, rather than read the verses literally as we are supposed to do” Take the Scriptures as they read”
1Co 2:6 ¶ Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect "teleios": yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
The Greek word “teleios” - means “complete”
Mrs Pagels wanting to push her theories says “teleios” mean “initiates”.
It does NOT.
The Greek word “teleios” - means “complete”
Mrs Pagels wanting to push her theories says “teleios” mean “initiates”.
It does NOT.
Now according to the Scriptures:
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
How many errors does it take to bring a testimony book down? Just one.
One should not continue reading books that bring false light to our eyes:
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
How many errors does it take to bring a testimony book down? Just one.
One should not continue reading books that bring false light to our eyes:
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
Influences influence, whether good or bad, for by beholding we are changed,
And notice what Paul said of his experience to the Hebrew Christians in council
Ac 23:1 ¶ And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.
Notice what Jeff Benner says regarding the writings of Paul
www.ancient-hebrew.org/studies-nt/understanding-law-in-romans-and-galatians.htm
And notice what Paul said of his experience to the Hebrew Christians in council
Ac 23:1 ¶ And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.
Notice what Jeff Benner says regarding the writings of Paul
www.ancient-hebrew.org/studies-nt/understanding-law-in-romans-and-galatians.htm
Jeff Benner: “The Hebrew word emunah means to be firm, such as in Exodus 17.12 where Aaron and Hur held up the hands of Moses during the battle with the Amorites and "his hands remained steady (emunah) till sunset".
Rob” Thus Faith is to firmly support somebody.
Jeff Benner: "Before this Torah of love came, we were held prisoners by the Torah of obedience, locked up until Torah of love should be revealed. So the Torah of obedience was put in charge to lead us to Messiah that we might be justified by Torah of love. Now that Torah of love has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the Torah of obedience.
Rob” Thus Faith is to firmly support somebody.
Jeff Benner: "Before this Torah of love came, we were held prisoners by the Torah of obedience, locked up until Torah of love should be revealed. So the Torah of obedience was put in charge to lead us to Messiah that we might be justified by Torah of love. Now that Torah of love has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the Torah of obedience.
King James “Ga 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Ancient Hebrew “ Ga 3:23 But before faith “as Divine Support” came, we were kept under the “teachings of sin-offering” shut up unto the faith “in Divine Support” which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the “teachings of sin-offering” was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith “in Divine Support”.
25 But after that faith “in Divine Support” is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Ancient Hebrew “ Ga 3:23 But before faith “as Divine Support” came, we were kept under the “teachings of sin-offering” shut up unto the faith “in Divine Support” which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the “teachings of sin-offering” was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith “in Divine Support”.
25 But after that faith “in Divine Support” is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
When Adam sinned, they knew they has sinned because the Ten Words condemn them because Adam broke faith in these promises and went down the rabbit hole transgressing the moral laws. Jesus-YHWH came and offered to Adam a way of atonement, based on He dying and the Mischief Maker dying, for the moral law explains the breaking of the laws of living in these terms:
Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
This because the mischief maker made changes to the sacred DNA letters of life, Adam could repent and return to God , but God would not receive Adam because his flesh was no longer perfect, and the womb promising future children was also damaged.
Ex 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
This because the mischief maker made changes to the sacred DNA letters of life, Adam could repent and return to God , but God would not receive Adam because his flesh was no longer perfect, and the womb promising future children was also damaged.
Thus the teachings of sin-offering was introduced by Jesus and the who mystery of salvation gradually taught, so that the Opposer might not oppose humans too much with God’s method of reconciling us to children of the Most High again. (This is why the teachings are hidden in poetry parables)
Please readers start reading what genuine faith is and how you receive this gift daily from Jesus.
Faith is a simile of food from Jesus, you have to eat faith foods every day.
Shalom
Please readers start reading what genuine faith is and how you receive this gift daily from Jesus.
Faith is a simile of food from Jesus, you have to eat faith foods every day.
Shalom